What does your operating limitations say? This is where you must start.
Why would you want to risk your life on an instrument approach with a GPS that doesn't have proper integrity monitoring?
What does your operating limitations say? This is where you must start.
Why would you want to risk your life on an instrument approach with a GPS that doesn't have proper integrity monitoring?
You have an experimental but it's not amateur built. What someone can do in a homebuilt (amateur built) may not apply to your plane which is why you should check the OL. Pretty sure you will never be flying RNP procedures so no need for RNP alerting.
My op limitations allow IFR if aircraft meets IFR requirements. This is same limitation as AB as far as I can tell, including same limitation reference # from FAA matrix. As far as RNAV GPS approaches go, my question is does anyone have any specific policy guidance in what the EXP owner would need to do to be compliant in using a non certified GPS as primary nav? My limits just require me to meet the requirements of 91.205(d), which does not mention equipment must be certified. Only other reference to GPS I can find is AC-138 which basically says GPS does not need to be manufactured under a TSO but it must meet same requirements, which would leave it up to aircraft owner to prove it meet meets same requirements.
so, question remains, does anyone have any experience on what owners have done to document compliance of a non certified GPS interface? As far as flying RNAV approach in IMC, I don’t intend to, but would like the legal ability to file IFR with GPS as primary navigation and maybe shoot RNP approach in VMC if available.
Owners have not done this because in order to prove that a non-TSO'd piece of equipment meets the requirements of a TSO, you'd have to go through the whole range of TSO testing. In which case, if you passed, just get the damn TSO. Since no experimental EFIS/GPS manufacturers (Dynon, Garmin, etc.) has done this, there must be a good reason - it's hard and a lot of work, and their equipment does NOT meet the TSO requirements (RAIM, etc.).
It's NOT legal to use non-TSO'd or non-TSO'd equivalent equipment for IFR, and no-one will tell you that a non-TSO'd piece of equipment meets the requirements of the TSO.
No can do. Either install a TSO'd navigator (GPS-175, GNS-650, Avidyne IFD-440, etc.) or don't shoot GPS approaches or use GPS as the primary navigational means enroute.
Now, since it's legal to use a ham sandwich as the primary means of IFR en-route navigation (i.e., pilotage, dead reckoning, etc.) as long as you file your route assuming that primary means, you can use any GPS (or anything else) as your SECONDARY means of navigation. But this only applies en-route.
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Marc is exactly correct. No TSO; no play with the certified/TSOd airplanes. The rules are not there for X-plane pilots; they are there to protect the ones playing legally in the NAS.
Actually, not fully correct. Regs say the GPS must meet same TSO as cert; not that user must have said testing data from manufacturer. FAA now uses performance based criteria to demonstrate compliance, so one could make a reasonable effort to prove it meets the same ELOS. I was wondering just how in depth this would be for a good avionics shop to reasonably perform. When I was a DER flight test pilot for big planes, much of the art of the certification plan was to do just that, find quickest (and cheapest) method to demonstrate compliance.
Additionally, any part 91 aircraft can file & fly IFR in VMC for training and checkride purposes legally.... without any IFR "certified" equipment. So even though my experimental C172 equipment (EFIS and GPS) is not "certified" as long as I stay VMC for training purposes.
Just wondering if anyone look more in depth about into the TSO angle
The AIM is an excellent reference for navigation. It's states authorization to use GPS for any IFR operation is based on several factors like;
-- GPS navigation equipment must be approved in accordance with TSO-C129, or equivalent, and the installation must be done in accordance with Advisory Circular AC 20-138D or equivalent. (there's nothing in that AC that suggest an owner can prove his non-approved gear meets TSO then be good to go)
-- Aircraft using GPS for navigation under IFR may require an approved and operational alternate means of navigation appropriate to the flight.
-- The GPS operation must be conducted in accordance with the FAA-approved aircraft flight manual (AFM) or flight manual supplement.
Flying with non approved gear is not going to end well if there is loss of separation.